Tuesday, August 16, 2011

The Town I Live in: PUNK IN FULLERTON 1976-2011

FULLERTON PUNK IN THE 70s AND 80s

In the mid to late 70s, disco was king. The hippie movement had died, and musicians who were voices of protest and dissent (Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, etc.) seemed to go away or lose their audience. On the rock music front, you had the birth of what Mark Mothersbaugh has called “white concert rock”—bands like Kansas, Toto, and Boston whose message was basically, “I’m white, I’m a misogynist, I’m a consumer, and I’m proud of it!”

Into this cultural void stepped the punks. The punks were like hippies on steroids. They carried the flame of protest forward right into the 80s, into the Reagan era. In England, you had bands like The Sex Pistols and The Clash. In New York, you had The Ramones and The New York Dolls. In Detroit you had MC5, Iggy and the Stooges, and Destroy All Monsters. In LA you had Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, and Bad Religion.

Fullerton spawned its own special breed of punks. Arguably the first hardcore punk band in Orange County was The Middle Class, which formed in 1976 in Santa Ana, but regularly played shows in Fullerton. Guitarist Mike Atta (who now owns Out of Vogue in Fullerton) says, “When we started, we thought we were totally alone. No one was playing this kind of music in Orange County.” However, perhaps inspired by the success of The Middle Class, who were soon playing LA shows with Black Flag and The Germs, a number of other hardcore bands sprung up in Fullerton, including Social Distortion, The Adolescents, D.I., and others.

Punks in Fullerton faced an interesting dilemma. Fullerton has since the Nixon era been a pretty conservative place. Home of republicans, mega-churches, and white flight settlers, you would not think Fullerton would be fertile ground for hardcore punk. But punks thrive on conflict. One could argue that confrontations with police and city authorities only fueled the flames of the hardcore punk scene behind “The Orange Curtain.”

THE BANDS:

THE MIDDLE CLASS formed in 1976 in Santa Ana, California. The band consisted of Jeff Atta on vocals, Mike Atta on lead guitar, Mike Patton on bass, and Bruce Atta on drums. The band achieved major success in the hardcore punk scene of Orange County and LA. The band's most popular release was Out of Vogue EP, released in 1978, particularly known for its extremely fast title track. The Middle Class are generally considered one of the first bands to play hardcore punk.

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SOCIAL DISTORTION Formed in late 1978 in Fullerton by frontman Mike Ness. The original lineup consisted of Ness on lead guitar, Rikk and Frank Agnew on guitars, and Casey Royer on drums. Its first single, Mainliner/Playpen was released in 1981 on Posh Boy, the label responsible for releasing the first singles and albums of many of the local O.C. punk bands. Rodney Bingenheimer of KROQ-FM took a liking to Social Distortion, releasing the single "1945" on his 1981 compilation album, Rodney on the ROQ. The rest is history.

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(photo by Edward Colver)

THE ADOLESCENTS formed in 1980 in Fullerton, California. They were a punk supergroup, made up of early members of Agent Orange and Social Distortion. They are often credited as one of the leading bands of the 1980s hardcore punk scene. The Adolescents signed with Frontier Records in January 1981 and recorded their debut album, Adolescents, the following month. It quickly became one of the best-selling California punk albums.

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D.I. formed in 1982 and combined the Orange County punk sound with a decidedly gothic style on their debut self-titled EP. The EP featured five songs including "Richard Hung Himself" (originally written by Casey Royer while he played for the Adolescents, recorded it with the Adolescents to later re-record it in D.I. ), "Venus De Milo," "Reagan Der Fuhrer," "Purgatory," and "Guns". This EP was later reissued as Team Goon with extra tracks including versions of Gary Glitter's "Rock & Roll Part II" and Devo's "Uncontrollable Urge". Their first proper album Ancient Artifacts was a more straight ahead Orange County sounding album that included a new version of "Purgatory" from the EP.

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THE VENUES:

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THE GALAXY was a roller rink-turned punk club in west Fullerton on Gilbert. Members of The Middle Class booked the shows, and soon The Galaxy was a regular venue for such iconic bands as Black Flag, Social Distortion, Circle Jerks, and a host of others.

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ICHABODS was a rock-n-roll bar that would sometimes book punk shows. Located at the corner of Chapman and State College (where the Burger King is now). There also used to be a bowling alley across the parking lot called “College Bowl” (where the Smart and Final is now). Mike Atta of the Middle class says, “You had two cool places to hang out.”

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FULLERTON PUNK IN THE 90s

The 90s were a strange decade for punk in Fullerton. While, on the one hand, this was the time period when punk became commercially viable and achieved widespread exposure with bands like No Doubt and The Offspring, success had its downside. The 90s saw the birth of a new genre called “pop-punk”. For the punks of the late 70s and early 80s, “pop” was not in their vocabulary. Their music was angry, often political, abrasive, lo-fi, and underground. With the success of No Doubt and The Offspring, major record labels started signing punk bands, and the music that arose in direct antagonism to corporate music, was swallowed whole by the corporate music monster. The major labels took this underground genre and tamed it—dumbing down the lyrics, toning down the political commentary, smoothing over abrasive lo-fi sound with high production studio work, and basically doing what the corporate music industry does best—taking something good and true and meaningful, commodifying it, and emptying it of all value.

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FULLERTON PUNK IN THE 2000s

The new millennium has seen a tremendous resurgence of DIY (do it yourself) art and music in Fullerton. A prime example of this is BURGER RECORDS, which started as an indie label, and has blossomed into one of the coolest record store/labels in Orange County, releasing music from local punks The Audacity, Cum Stain, Cosmonauts, and a host of other lo-fi garage/punk bands. Coinciding with the emergence of these new punk bands, a number of venues have opened their doors to underground punk again. Is punk dead? Hell no, and especially not in Fullerton!

THE BANDS (descriptions taken from the bands' facebook pages):

Known for their youthful exuberance and exuberant youthfulness, beloved in Milwaukee, ignored in Olympia, infamous in St Augustine, disrespected in LA; THE AUDACITY is the best band in Fullerton and has been for nine years now (!!! mad seniority) We play sometimes with Todd C, who was in Baghdad before you were in your dad's bag. New album out soon!

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COSMONAUTS: "Their raucous set was like if the Velvet Underground had turned to the MC5 at their Boston Tea Party concert in 1968 and, instead of insulting them, had turned and made love to them—and that was how Lou Reed wound up wearing that dog collar. I couldn’t make out a single lyric, but did they really close the set with “Little Honda?” -Dan Collins, Editor, LA RECORD

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PTERODACDUDES: prehistoric party people.

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WONDER WHEEL: The combination of post-punk thuds, psychedelic swirls and krautrock rhythms (re)animates the colorful back catalog of Wonder Wheel. Over 20 solo albums have been reevaluated and songs redesigned to construct brand new pieces of pop galore. The band continues to work on new material and no end is in sight for these Hispanic California dudes.

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CUM STAIN: Just got arrested outside Burger for either keying someone's car or motorboating them. LP out next month! #stupid #dumbass

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DEATH HYMN #9: In the early '60s, we were part of the Motown Records studio backing band called the Funk Brothers. When Marvin Gaye had his first hit, we were asked to be his touring band for his first national tour. When we were passing through Baton Rouge, Louisiana, we stopped at a run-down gas station to piss and try to score some swamp dope. As we were walking around, we were ambushed by a group of smug, shit-talking zombies. They chewed on our brains while we were yelling for Marvin Gaye to save us—but his pussy ass just turned the bus on and left us to fend for ourselves. Our genre of music is gospel/power/violence.

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CHICKEN OR FISH: Ed Royce, you don't represent us. This is my band.

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THE VENUES:

THE CONTINENTAL ROOM: Troy Bootow, guitarist of the band Death Hymn #9 is largely responsible for making this Fullerton lounge a Sunday night haven for indie punk bands like The Audacity, Cum Stain, The Gospels, and more. Don’t bother going there on Friday or Saturday nights, though. On those nights, you can expect to hear “dub step” and other such clubby nonsense.

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THE TROPICS LOUNGE: Way out by the Fullerton Municipal airport lies the Tropics Lounge, a biker dive bar that just so happens to put on awesome punk shows (sometimes).

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THE RIFF HAUS: Located in a practice studio in an industrial part of Fullerton, the Riff Haus puts on some pretty kick-ass hardcore shows. A group called Orange County Pyrate Punx organizes the good shows there. Those kids like to mosh like crazy in that little room!

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BURGER RECORDS: In addition to being a record store that puts out awesome music on cassette, Burger Records also hosts live shows, featuring local and touring bands. BYOB baby.

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35 comments:

  1. Linh Luong - English 103February 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Fullerton is a house of music. I have not heard about Punk music before. The article give great sources of information. I am mostly listen to jazz and country. I do not know much about music. I should take a Music History or Music Appreciation class. I try to think of something. I love classical music too. When I am sad or have so many thought on my mind, I play a piano. Music is a meditation. I like all kind of music. Actually, it depends on my mood for the type of music I like. I prefer both lyrics and rhythm. If the lyric is so good, I may like the song. However, it depends. If the song is being favor, I can listen to it over and over till I get bore of it. I also listen to my country's music. Most of it is pop songs. Music change all the time. It likes fashion - new generation and old generation. But some how I think the old music is more meaningful than the new. You can hear the old songs over and over without bore, or I say timeless. But the new song always update and replace with other new song because I heard that music by the beat more than the lyrics. The mind change goes with the taste of music and generations keep moving. I hope in the future, there will be more music type be create and more create songs. For me, music is so important by its mediation.Music from the soul so foster the soul for better music for better audience and for better generation.

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  2. Erica Jackson
    English 103
    T/TH 1:30-2:50PM
    When I read “Orale Vato”, I would have never guessed that they had it bad as African Americans back in that time. I still think racism is a part of this society till this day. I don’t think it will ever die, knowing every race is mistreated every second of the day. It may not be physical but it is definitely mental or verbal. When you talk to another race, it is like you have to be careful what you say to them to not offend them in any kind of way. I know the Pachucos where portrayed as a bad group of people who go around looking for trouble. They thought they should get revenge on the servicemen who brutally humiliated them in front of people. The Newspaper had the whole story backwards. They switched the whole story and made the servicemen look like the victim of the whole situation. I didn’t think people back in that time were to do things so shady. I understand the Pachucos carrying little weapons for protection. They did not the same thing happening over again. I don’t think that makes them a bad group of people because of that. They wanted to be different in their own way. Why should they be attacked for doing something to better them? I just think people were jealous of how they relationships were amongst each other. The service men knew they could tear the group apart if they humiliate them. Not only did they humiliate them, the service men got a big wake up call. The whole baggy suit is a ridiculous look in this century, but I know back in that time, it was probably like just a regular man in a suit. If someone in this decade were to wear a baggy suit, he would be the talk of the town and news. Now days, people are putting pictures on social networks. This society in this decade is beyond corrupted. Same thing that happened with the Pachucos, happens every minute of the day in different hoods in different states. Gangs are the new Pachucos. So many incidents have happened in this decade. It is like we cannot stop them. I know there is something to be done to stop this. Just like the Pachucos were to fade out back in that time, I hope gangs will do the same SOME DAY.

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  3. Juvencio Madrigal
    English 101
    Tu, Th 8:30 - 9:45am

    Before reading “Orale Vato”, I looked at the first picture and thought that those guys look like gangsters, but once I started reading the blog it said that they just wanted to be cool carrying their knifes and chains. I didn’t realize that the U.S. servicemen were the ones to start the riots. And I also didn’t realize how other ethnicities also had similar gangs well not gangs more like groups of bad doers. I am Mexican-American but I do not know much about the zoot suit or the riots in LA. The only thing I do know about them is that it’s part of my culture. Sometimes whenever I go or I am in a quinceaneras they choose a suit to wear and once we go to the store where they sell them at, the most popular suit to wear is the zoot suit. The suit is suppose to feel big and baggy so once I saw the first picture of men in suits it reminded me of the quinceaneras I was in wearing one of those. Now a days wearing a zoot suit doesn’t seem so bad as if I were to wear one in the 1940s. Zoot suits are now, well to me a cultural item to remember those times when Mexicans were going through tough time.
    While reading “The town I live in” I noticed all the different bands that are part of Fullerton specifically the genre of punk. It is pretty cool knowing how some of the bands made their success as musicians and exposing their music to the town. Having an own band and having to perform to the local community seems like an awesome experience and I remember you telling us about your own band I find that to be cool. Having bars or clubs to perform at will enable certain people to expose other people’s music to friends and family. Punk isn’t my type of genre but I am sure that Fullerton has other great local performing bands of all sorts of genres. I also believe listening to local songs and artist is far more better than listening to the radio, but not only is it better but cultural because you know the artist and not everyone in the entire U.S. is listening to local bands and artist.

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  4. Brooke Cooper
    English 101
    tuesday/thursday 10-11:15
    When I was reading "orale Vato" I thought it was going to be a boring article of some Pachuco culture that I will never understand and remember. I also did't know whatPachuco culture was until I read this interesting article. From what I read, Pachuco's seems to be young Mexican- American teens who wanted to express and be different from the rest. Pachucos wore baggy pants and they made themsleves come across as tough and violent. No one would focus on anyone else no matter how bad they were. I feel that the newspapers had the story wrong about the Zoot Suit Riots of 1943 and I know you agree as well. They blamed the riots on the pachucos and said they were urban terrorists who raped girls and beat up service men. When reading this article, I just thought about how people are today. People to this day are still so racist. I feel that it is a never ending issue that people cant come to a close about. People are so cruel to others and learning about the Pachucos made me sympathize for them how people were being racist towards them as well.
    After reading "The town I live in" I never realized there was so many bands involved in Fullerton in the past. I was shocked when I read that punk was popular. I am not a fan of punk but it sounded like Fullerton sure was a fan. It was interesting reading about the different bands and their sucesses and sharing their love of music to the community. Most of the time, local bands surprise me, because they have more heart and soul and I end up liking their music more. Famous music is over played and doesnt really connect with me as opposed to a local band in a coffee shop. I wish there were more bands in Yorba LInda.

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  5. Eunice Kim
    English 101

    Before reading the "Oracle Vato: Understanding Pachuco Culture", I read the quote that Catherine Zimmerman said, "This book is not only about the past, but about interpretations of it..." and I saw the picture below. Now first, I automatically assumed that these men in the suits looked like there were up to no good and they were affiliated in a dangerous gang. Little did I know, that it was the U.S. Servicemen were the dangerous "gang". I didn't know that just by a certain way that a person dresses can cause so much discrimination. I didn't know that long time ago being a mexican was being like a black person in the neighborhood. There really was a lot of prejudice. I thought it was encouraging that some Mexican-Americans wanted to stand out and be known as someone, which led them to wearing these suits. I thought it was completely unfair for the Mexicans to receive such a rep after what the American's had tortured them first. It completely gives them a complete negative reputation, but only in the Mexican's mind, was to just get revenge. I really like the idea how they wore the suits only to represent themselves as human beings, instead of low class citizens. After reading this article, I realized that even with the cultural background how a person dresses themselves can cause so much riot and chaos.
    When I was reading, "The Town I Live in", I never realized all the different bands that were in Fullerton, especially to punk music. Personally, I never was into "punk", I was more into pop and the modern day songs. But as I grew older, my keen of interest for punk and indie music grew and that's practically all I listen to. It was really interesting reading about the different bands that were in Fullerton. After living in Fullerton for more than 12 years, I didn't know about all these bands becoming successful in their own hometown. I know that some bands play in cafe's or at the House of Blues, but I never really expected them to get pretty famous through that. I believe that listening to music that is from the local area is better than listening to music that's mainstream. I find it more worth listening to music that the very own people around me write instead of what the record label businesses produce. Different types of music will only let the very own persons soul grow into having a bigger knowledge and expanded mindset.

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  6. Danny Sanchez
    English 101
    Tues/Thurs 8:30-9:45
    Orale Vato is a great summary of Pachuco culture in Los Angeles. I actually live near a zoot-suit shop. I always see the men that work there. They have long pocket chains and big moustaches. I never asked them about the suits and why people like them so much; honestly, because they are intimidating. Even though I have always wanted to know, I never found out. I can see the history in their demeanor and their glares. Talking about style, I can see the way they move around the store, smooth like and calm, cool personality, never wide-eyed or surprised, like they know everything but not in a stuck up way. Knowledgeable, suits these O.G. zooters. This essay gives me a good view into the way the store owners act. Chilled and worry free, how I wish I was. Just not as serious. And now, onto punk rock in Fullerton. I did not know that so many bands came from Fullerton. One of my favorite bands is Black Flag. I love all types of music and anything that sounds good-mainstream or not-is good enough for me. The way the instruments creates sounds and tones that uplift certain emotions and thoughts inside me. The lyrics that speak directly to my hopes, dreams, thoughts, something that relates to my life; my struggles, my achievements, my fetishes, my situations; it is all so powerful. However, even though we can get emotional with this “magical noise”, there are times where something inside me needs to come out; wants to come out, but I cannot release this urge. Out of the blue I feel the world surrounding, I realize or remember realities of the world again, unseen controlling powers, money, social issues, problems of the universe seem to come colliding on a small planet that is at the very center of my soul. The pressure on my planet is like a gusher, lets out a stream of this urge, a little emotion comes out, I bipolarize, it is a sensation like no other, than the gases of this mind planet start to seem out rapidly, and when it is all built up. Punk Rock seems to let it all out just fine. The rage, the revolt, the disobedience, the truth, my true thoughts and emotions come forth through the explosion of my fury. The mach-10 speed of the music moves me, almost breaks me to the way it makes me move. The words about corruption and knowing the problem and actually doing something about it, gets into my head. The punk rock that really kills em’ all. Just the way punk music clashes with feelings that no other type of music even phases is a spectacular rush. Knowing that “greats” came from so close to home gives a greater appreciation to their gnarly talents and music.

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  7. Anthony Isackson
    English 101
    Tu, Th 8:30 - 9:45am

    Upon reading the article Orale Vato I have to think of a lesson that I was taught at an early age, “No matter what happens in the world nothing is black in white” I believe the zoot suit riots was a situation where that saying couldn’t be truer. During the so called zoot suit riots it wasn’t a simple matter of this side is right and this side is wrong; it is easy to say it was only the service men’s fault for the humiliations they performed, but does that make it right for the Pachuco’s to simply respond in kind? Like any incident ever, there are two side to the story of the zoot suit riots and I personally was not there at the time and only have second hand accounts so I can never know what was the true spark what was the true start and who is truly to blame if not both parties because of that all I can truly say about the zoot suit riots is that in any event where humans are involved there is never one side that pure good and another that is just pure evil, there are only shades of gray.
    After reading the article PUNK IN FULLERTON I was genuinely surprised by the history of punk in Fullerton though I can’t honestly say I am a diehard fan of punk I am someone who will listen to any kind of music I think is appealing from the garage band down the street to orchestra if I like it I will listen to it, but I’m quite aware that not many people share my opinion when it comes to music they only want to listen to the music that’s “cool” and because of that I was surprised but happy that punk music managed to sink its roots into a openly conservative city like Fullerton.

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  8. Jason Moncayo
    English 101 Tu/Thur 10:00-11:15 AM


    After reading “Orale Vato”, I got a better understanding of how Mexican American’s were treated during the 1940’s and 1950’s. I have heard of the word “pachuco” before but never really knew what it meant. I also wasn’t aware of the racism that Mexican Americans endured. I, like everyone else, knows about the harsh treatment that African Americans went through but probably don’t know too much about Hispanics. I don’t think that I have ever seen a sign that says “No Mexicans allowed”. My father, who is from East Los Angeles, told me that there was some racism that was directed towards him and other Mexicans but it wasn’t too serious. He also told me that there weren’t that many white folks who lived in East Los Angeles. I think that pachucos can be viewed as somewhat of iconic heroes just as the article mentioned. These men who wore zuit suits wanted to be different from the “gringos”. They wanted to start their own cool image and probably thought that if they dressed this way that white people wouldn’t mess with them. The suits have a gangster look to them and indeed make them look tough. In my opinion, I think that it was okay for the pachucos to fight back against the Navy serviceman. The serviceman should be there to help protect citizens from getting hurt not try to attack people because they think it is fun. The headlines make the Mexican people look like they are the ones at fault, but that is because it was during a time of extreme racism. Despite the negative press the pachucos received, I am sure that they served as an inspiration to Latinos in Los Angeles.
    I really enjoyed the “Punk in Fullerton” article. I loved it because I myself am a huge fan of Punk Rock music. I am a fan of all the bands listed in the opening paragraphs. Ever since I was a young kid I have enjoyed listening to The Ramones, The Clash, The Sex Pistols, Iggy Pop and all of the Los Angeles hardcore punk. I was aware that Social Distortion was from Fullerton but I didn’t know that the city had a big punk scene. That is really awesome because nowadays Fullerton is a city that is very conservative, just as the article mentioned, so it is hard to imagine that it ever had a music scene this intense. It would be really amazing if punk was reintroduced to Fullerton once again.

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  9. Mayra Mendoza
    English 101
    Tue/Thur
    10-11:15am


    I have always had a bad interpretation of who the Pacheco’s actually were. Ever since I was small, I always thought the Pacheco’s were bad people; in fact I got the nasty side of the story from the media, web and movies. I never actually researched their history, but from what I heard, they were said to be the most horrible human beings ever. Everyone always described them as vicious people, who murder innocent people for no reason. After reading this article, it makes me feel bad for them. They have had a bad reputation, and the sad part of it all, is that it is not true. People always seem to turn stories over, just to make other people seem bad, when in reality they are not. Everyone has their own story, and now it’s the Pacheco’s turn to reveal their story.
    In the story, "The Town I Live In" I was amazed by all the different types of punk music and the different events that bands organized. I am not a fan of punk music, but after seeing the different events that were organized it seemed like a lot of fun. It does not matter what kind of music you hear, you can always have fun with people who enjoy listening to the same music as you do,along with organizing events.

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  10. Linda Morales english101 8:30
    While reading this blog I realized that many things that historians write are not true. I never knew that these people who wrote the newspaper did not tell the truth. I believe that the writers were instigators for the zoot suit riots. They put a misleading title that caused chaos in Los Angeles. The pachucos were just regular people trying to look cool by what they wear and how they dress. In a sense they were just Mexicans that wanted their own style. They shouldn’t have been looked down upon by their differences. i knew that there were a lot of people who were prejudice against Mexican in history, but I did not know it was that horrible. While reading this blog I thought that it was very interesting that you had asked if they carried around weapons. Everybody thinks that these Mexicans were horrible gangsters who did bad things or even kill people, but in reality they just wanted to get an identity. Everywhere you go no matter what your race is you have the good and the bad people. But somehow when your culture is looked down upon all your people are bad. It is like the quote I read that says “whenever you do the wrong thing everyone remembers it, but whenever you do the right thing nobody notices.” This quote goes perfectly with this blog. Everybody saw all the bad in a person but they could not see the good. In fact it was the servicemen that did wrong and humiliated the zoot suitors by taking off their suits. Overall the newspapers put a bad name for these zoot suitors especially since they were supposedly “beating up servicemen. “ I am glad that I read your blog because most people do not know the truth about the zoot suit riots or about the Mexican culture. It might open up the eyes of people to really see what happened in our history that the books do not tell us about.
    The Town I Live In
    I am not into the punk music, but I am open to listening to many different types of music. However punk music is not dead. Look at all the bands that you listed for us. There are a lot of bands that may be more popular than others .i thought it was funny to read the band that is called cum stain. Their name is something people would not expect, but their actions are a little crazy too.

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  11. Sean McCormick
    English 101
    Tues, Thurs

    After reading “The Town I Live in: PUNK IN FULLERTON 1976-2011” by Jesse La Tour it got me thinking, music is something that has gone unnoticed in the history books. Music is the one thing that I believe inspires people more than anything, and people who gone down in the history books have to have been inspired somewhere and who knows, it could have been music. There have been studies that prove that music allows the brain to focus easier, make predictions and remember events easier, who knows maybe when FDR was deciding crucial decisions during WWII he could have been listening to Mozart or something. When you look back in the history of the United States, especial during the 1950s to present, it mentions music but not as much has it should be. Think about how much the movement of The Beetles and Woodstock affected the course of history during these important years of our nation’s development, but the history books don’t spend too many pages on this.
    I personally can’t last a single day without listening to something, but yet I have little knowledge of how it came to be, music in my community, or my communities music history. Reading this article made me realize how much I really don’t know about my surroundings or about how my community came to be, and that bothers me quite a bit. Though I am upset with my lack of knowledge about my community, I do know that both Sublime and The Dirty Heads both began in Orange County, The Dirty Heads in my home city of Huntington Beach and Sublime in Long Beach. The Dirty Heads and Sublime have a similar sound of reggae, rap twist to it, which I like. In conclusion though, music is very influential and I believe has had a huge impact on the world that I live on today, and I wish in the future to learn more about music history in my community.
    After reading “Orale Vato: Understanding Pachuco Culture” by Jesse La Tour I felt that it was good that a culture that has been through so much found a way to express their individuality through something as simple as a suit. The Mexican-American culture is a very unique and special culture, by preserving this culture of wearing zoot suits they are remembering those before them who went through so much to be in this country.

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  12. In response to “ Orale Vato” I have made my own conclusion that the reality of the Zoot Suit Riots is a blend of both sides’ fault. With hearing the story from my history book and the interview from your friend, it makes the most sense to me that there is truth in both sides of the story. I feel like no one actually knows and any story told today would be completely biased. And we know that with the racial discrimination back then that it was definitely biased back then without a doubt.
    In response to “Punk In Fullerton” I am excited that we are talking about something that interests me, although I am not familiar with all of the smaller bands I am very familiar with Boston, Bad Religion, The Clash, The Offspring and a couple others. I felt like these bands are still very big with people who enjoy classic rock. I mean classic rock in a very general statement because there are obviously much more specific genre’s to put them in. To know that a lot of that music was started right here where I have lived my whole life, makes it all the more interesting. Coincidentally, my friend’s dad grew up being good friends with the lead singer of The Offspring. Punk Rock is still prevalent today and I listen to some of it, and I really enjoy the messages that are put into the lyrics. It is interesting to dissect the lyrics and find out what the singers are actually trying to tell us. And it is a way for them to portray a message to the public without being to outward about it. It is a way of expressing one’s self knowing what you mean and not having to worry about repercussions.

    Connor Brennan English 101
    Tues/Thurs 10:00 -11:15

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  13. Claudia Peña
    English 103
    W 3:30-6:40
    I thought the post about the pachucos was very interesting because I never knew how they started and I just thought it was a type of dress attire for quinceañeras. But finding this out was interesting and I’m sure I would like to read more. That was not fair what the L.A. Times did not get the real story behind the pachucos being teased by the Navy men. People need to know the real story behind this and understand that Mexican-Americans aren’t always the violent ones but all different races are also as violent as any other person. Just because you want to show your identity to your city doesn’t mean other people need to go and beat them and tease them. There’s no need for this nonsense; these men are like any other men trying to be cool. “The Women in Zoot Suit” sounds very interesting book and I would like to read. I didn’t know that there were women pachucos. Both articles are very two different distinctive articles, that are interesting in their own way. One talks about Pachucos and the other about Punks. I’m not a very big fan about Punk music but this article talked about some Punk bands that started here in Fullerton which is very interesting because I wouldn’t have thought there would be Punk bands back then. It’s seemed now the Punk bands may still be roaming the city of Fullerton or in general Orange County. This article showed many bands like Burger Records, Chicken or Fish and so many other bands.

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  14. Rylie Olsen
    English 60 Wednesday Class
    (Punk in Fullerton/LaTour Article)

    I am always glad to read about art/music movements, but to have a rather prominent punk movement here in my own home town is exciting to me. While I’m more of a fan of the proto-punks from back East (like Patti Smith, Iggy Pop, Talking Heads and all that), I definitely appreciate punk rock as a whole. It’s funny—to me it makes a lot of sense that the hardcore punk movement should happen in Orange County. Like the article mentions, this is a heavily Republican area, with an upper middle class, white majority and, from what I’ve noticed, an air of old timey ways—and an anxiety to be within a set of certain social standards. I can imagine the madness building behind the stagnation of suburbia. I’m thankful the final burst resulted in a punk movement.
    I worked with Bill and Anna Evans of “Black Hole Records/Stray Cat Vintage” for a time after high school and got a massive ear-full from Bill about anything and everything to do about the Orange County punk scene. I used to hang out in “Out of Vogue” on my break during my work days and I’d talk to Mike Atta for as long as I could about his band as well as all the stuff he grew up listening to. I still recall the manic scenes of the hardcore punk scene of Fullerton in my head, and though I’m always curious, I’m not sure I would have fit in so well! I really like that the article listed venues—I had no idea that some of these places existed! I always get so energetic and excited when I read about all these things—when reading this article I felt like I wanted it to happen again, not the same way, of course, but with a new brand of kids collectively doing something for art’s sake—or their sake—or because there’s something they really love, or something they hate so much they can’t and won’t take it anymore—and I totally want to be a part of it!
    Though I’m not much of a hardcore punk fan music-wise, I admire the care-free yet politically/intellectually involved attitude the movement carried. I always tell my friends who are fans that the sound isn’t really my thing, but that, nine times out of ten, the lyrics knock me down. I always felt like I could relate to a lot of the songs because we kids are full of augmented emotions, and I am no exception, and whether they were singing about going to a party and having a good time, trying to get people to understand them because they couldn’t understand themselves, or just singing about simply wanting to punch everyone in the face, I can relate. I suppose it means a lot to people when they can relate to something and perhaps that’s why these movements become so notable in history. I’m thankful for these pockets of Fullerton culture.

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  15. Jolynn Guerra
    English 60 Wed.
    Punk in Fullerton

    I never realized that the city of Fullerton had so much interesting history and cultural information. Mr. La Tour read us his paper on The Town I Live In during the first day of class and I was so surprised with all of his facts. I personally do not listen to punk music therefore I really don’t have a whole lot of knowledge on this subject. My choice of music is diverse however I am only aware of maybe one or two of the bands in this blog. I have heard music by the band No Doubt however I prefer to listen to Gwen Stafanni on her solo albums. These days it seems as if what we consider one type of music can be classified under a few different types. Rhythm and Blues consist of all types of music and I’ve heard a couple of Country Songs that I had no idea were Country! I absolutely love music and truly believe that it should come from your heart and what you feel. Your environment and life experiences play a big part in music. Being that Fullerton was such a conservative place I can see how it would spark this type of music. What is Punk Music anyways? A bunch of band members playing crazy drums and guitars while the lead singer screams out some nonsense about something we really don’t care about? Or is it an expression of our feelings and thoughts about life itself. Maybe it’s the only way for someone to let out their feelings and thoughts about things they don’t know how to talk about in other ways. Such as the anger towards the police or being discriminated against for whatever reason. I wonder if Punk Music would get as much attention or would have gotten so popular if the bands started from a different town or city without the same history as Fullerton! We then go back to the topic of how our environment can create such music. Whatever the reason is, music should be appreciated by everyone no matter what style it is. It is good to see that music has been created instead of “punks” turning elsewhere such as violence.
    Can someone please explain all of the interesting drawings on the advertisements for the bands? I guess Punk Music wouldn’t be exactly that if there were pictures of flowers and hearts on the posters however I just don’t understand the artwork. Good thing I’m not an artist.

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  16. John Park
    ENG 60 WED
    Punk in Fullerton

    I knew the adolescents on the streets of Downtown Fullerton are like, "hippies on steroids" but I never thought the history behind it was rather deep. Of course, the modern "hippies" or rather "hipster" comes in many different forms but "Punk in Fullerton" gave me a better understanding of the genre. The punk genre gave me a very distasteful experience looking at mosh pits turning into pointless violence. However, the music itself cannot be the blame. Being a diverse musician, music is the only way to truly relieve from stress. As many of us may know, stress comes in different moods. Sometimes, the calm, soothing sounds of strings and piano in classical does the job when your depressed; where as, the driving force of drum and bass in rock when you just want to kill someone. Punk rock is the extreme of the extreme in my opinion. With songs averaging 180 to even 220 BPMs, it could be a disaster for some drummers. You can see why all those punk drummers have such a big arm. Joking aside, the intensity of passion and soul spilled out from punk is admirable. Without passion and soul, music wouldn’t be music. There’s a reason why some people cannot stand listening to modern 808 bass 4/4 thumps. Much like composition, music or a song tells a story. Sure, the big thumping on your body and highly intensifying synths shooting through your eardrums are enjoyable but there’s no soul nor does it tell a story other than “You Only Live Once”. Over the decades and centuries that passed on, countries and people oppressed often resorted to music. It was the only that gave them the will to live on. So forth, the Blues came about. The Punk rock fit the more-modern rebel trend. They were willing to fight for their rights and more than fired up to voice their minds. The conservative Fullerton trying to blow out the fire only made it bigger like a forest fire. I believe music such as Punk paved the way for the world for us to be able to voice our minds. Such ideas brought Internet sensations starting from Xanga to Facebook, and other blogs that allows us to write our thoughts onto a blank page. I believe these freedom, with careful control, not force, will form a powerful democracy, where people, all from the low to the higher class can “sing” in union.

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  17. Victor Puente English 60
    I really enjoyed reading about punk music in Fullerton, and Orange County. I did not know there was a punk band from Orange County called the Middle Class. I have never heard of them. I guess punk is really popular music. I am aware of the fact that punk music has a quick beat. I personally never really got into that type of music. I have heard it briefly, but not intentionally. I prefer rap music, oldies, funk, and hip-hop. I have never seen a mosh pit in person. I think it would be awesome to go to a club and experience seeing mosh pit take place. I do not like heavy metal music. I am not sure if heavy metal music is punk.
    I feel music has a large impact in all of our lives. We all need music in our lives. Without music we would all be living in a boring world. I have never heard of any one that just don’t like music. Well at least I have never met anybody that don’t like music. Some people go to sleep with the radio on. Others have it on all day, even in the shower. I listen to my jams in the car while driving most of the time.
    The other night I went to the House Of Blues. I seen a band named Yaught Of Rock Revenue. I am not sure why but I dropped a tear. I was drunk but it wasn’t the alcohol that made me cry. It was the music that touched my soul. Also, I had a lot on my mind that night. The sound was so clear and loud, it was a great band. The best way to enjoy music is to hear it live.
    Sometimes we do not appreciate the small thing’s in life. We don’t know what we have until it’s gone, like music. In 2007, I had to serve a debt to society for breaking the law. It was a stupid mistake that I made in the past. The reason why I bring it up is because there is no music in the county jail. Inmates would receive lyrics from family and friends in the mail. The inmate would sing the song accordingly out loud. There is so many people in there. It is very common that you might meet someone that could sing like a bird. The inmates perform on certain nights. They call it concert night, it is the closest you get to music.

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  18. Reina Kirkland
    English 60 Wed.

    In the beginning of "the town I live in: Punk in Fullerton" it tells us how disco and white concert rock are slowly leaving the scene , soon the punks were stepping in, I found it interesting to know that Fullerton was some of these bands steeping stool to becoming an even bigger sensation they probably thought it was going to be. Some of these bands are familiar to me, but what really caught my attention is how these bands were coming up in neighboring cities locally. What I did not really know about Fullerton it was said to be or still a conservative place and it became a fertile ground and it amuses me as to why they brought their music here in the first place if it was this kind of environment, for the punks were known to be outlandish with their music they produce. It also made me wonder what the biggest controversial issues were and how the city took it did it grow on them or is it still an issue that has still not been resolved. I kind of find it funny that they say Fullerton is a place that is conservative, because I felt when I came to Fullerton that it had a rock, edgy, and artsy feel to it maybe just looking from downtown Fullerton, I could see a connection and how they maybe influenced the downtown area.

    Scrolling through the band covers and venues were they were going to perform are cool, you get to see were they started from, I'm guessing some are album covers as well? One of the venue posters that stood out to me was Social Distortion, because I know some of their music. It shows venue were they were going to play and only for six dollars! I find that inspiring to see what they started at for six bucks and even now to today they are a huge success I mean when I was recently at coachella and they are still here performing! I also find it inspiring they still went on being in a city were I'm sure many didn't approve of the idea of them.

    It seems now in today's rock and punk phase people are still attracted to going to downtown Fullerton for this type of music. It says in the article there was a place called chabods and a bolwing alley and it was a "cool" hang out for this scene. It make wonder if this Punk scene still continues on as it was or if things seemed to die out of this era. To be honest I wish I was alive to see this up bring of punks and all different types of music it would probably give me a new insight of music.

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  19. Nicholas Agrusa - English 60 Wednesdays 5:30p-9:45p
    I am a true believer that music can save the world. That is how powerful I think music can be to people in society. With a genre like punk music it gives the degenerates a chance to be something. Reading this article was very nice being born and bred in Fullerton myself and hearing band names like The Adolescents and Social Distortion makes it that much better. I grew up listening to punk mainly because my father was a punk and since my very first memories I can remember listening to Mike Ness and Social Distortion and seeing how happy it made my dad to hear and sing their songs. To this day I still know every word to many of their songs. One of the greatest memories I have is at the Inland Invasion 2 where my father, my step-mom, and myself got to see Bad Religion, Social Distortion, and The Sex Pistols live at the Glen Helen Pavilion. That was an awesome day; it was very hot and I remember that I was wearing all black (that was just the thing to do if you thought you were a punk). This day was memorable in so many ways because it was one of my first experiences with alcohol. My dad brought a bottle of Jack Daniels and when he wasn't paying attention I took a big swig and literally thought my nose hairs were burning. My dad didn’t really care I was drunk, but I did get scolded (mainly just by my step-mom). I felt like I was a part of something that just rocked and people weren’t afraid to be themselves and dance however they wanted to dance regardless of what people were thinking. I honestly wish I went to way more punk shows besides The Inland Invasion. That was the only show I got a chance to see. I have a lot of respect for these bands that were brought up in Fullerton especially Mike Ness. He was sort of like my hero when I was younger. I really enjoyed the way he could play a guitar and the way he would tell stories through his lyrics and his ideas. His music was considered to be many genres ranging from country to Rock-a-Billy, to just straight up punk and he meshed them altogether to assemble one of the greatest bands in the world let alone only Southern California.

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  20. Juan Ramirez
    English 60
    Wed. 5:30p.m-9:45p.m

    Before I started reading the article “Punk in Fullerton” I didn’t realize all the history Fullerton has regarding punk music. It is very interesting reading facts about all the bands that started out in Orange County. Although I don’t have much knowledge about punk music, I have heard of many bands that are listed in the article. I believe that music is a way for people to express how they are feeling and for the audience to relate to what the artist is singing. For me, music is a form of getting away from the world, and being able to analyze how I am feeling that day. I also believe that music is very powerful because it can change the world, in a bad or positive way. Music can also influence others by the way they think to the way they act. Throughout school I have seen many of my friends being influenced by the music they listen to.
    From reading the article it seems that Fullerton is the foundation for punk music, it is amazing how people are really devoted to their music. In the article punk music was described to be, “angry, often political, abrasive, lo-fi, and underground.” It is interesting that punk music was really big in Fullerton, since Fullerton is described to be a conservative city. Some of the artwork these bands used is difficult to understand, maybe I just have to incorporate a little bit more of imagination, which I’m not good at. It’s incredible how some of these bands started charging $5-$7 for their audience to come enjoy their music, whereas, a ticket to see bands now are much more expensive. This comes to show how these bands started with almost nothing and now are at the top.
    Reading about all the bands that started in a small town and are now worldwide super stars, is an eye opener for many ordinary people who do not have motivation to do the things they love. I believe that hard work and dedication are key to succeeding in whatever you plan to do. Although it is easier said than done, if you put your mind to it, you will achieve it. If this article was never introduced to me I would have never known about Fullerton’s background with punk music, besides knowing that some bands came from Fullerton. It is interesting to learn about the history of your city and what it has to offer.

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  21. ZOLTAN
    ENGLISH 60
    WEDNESDAYS 5:30 – 9:45

    Well I don’t really have much to say about this topic, simply because punk music isn’t my cup of tea per say. I guess I can start off by saying of course punk music isn’t dead. There will always be trends coming about going, so if a genre of music seems as if it’s going to die it will soon be revitalized. As long as there is billions and billions of people on this world there will be diversity, diversity within food, sports and definitely music. It all comes with the culture. So as long as there is diversity it means that certain people are going to keep a certain genre of music alive. For example, I cannot stand blue grass music, I can’t stand rap and its vulgar language, and hate me if you want but jazz is so boring to me. But of course thanks to diversity there are always going to be people who enjoy listening to that music who will consequently keep it alive.
    I think it’s pretty cool though that Fullerton has had its fair share of famous people. Not that I’m star struck or anything it’s just the simple fact that famous people usually come from more prestigious cities such as Hollywood or LA. It kind of gives me the idea that no matter where you are from or what your background is, if you set your mind to it you can achieve it. I don’t know if those garage bands who are signed to that Burger label are content with where they’re at, but if they’re not they can definitely achieve their desired fame. If those before them can do it, they can also do it. Of course if all depends on the level of talent they have in their band. I feel that talent level is based off of course if you are gifted, but also how bad you want it. Those with more of a desire, those that strive to become great at what they do will work harder than those who half-heartedly want I, in turn making those with the desire to be greater, greater. So I firmly believe the more you want something, the more likely you are to achieve it. So to the bands out there struggling I say this, don’t give up on what you desire, for if you desire it enough, it shall come to be.

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  22. Elizabeth Cruz
    English 60
    Wed
    The blog “The Town I Live in: PUNK IN FULLERTON 1976-2011” by Jesse La Tour is about rock bands in Fullerton Orange County, Myself not being a OC resident or at least here in Fullerton, gives me an amazing reaction towards this city. I'am not really into the Punk music nor rock although i do enjoy learning history about it. I believe that my favorite band that is described in the blog can perhaps be The Adolescents, Maybe because I've actually heard one or two of their songs by my cousin that lives he in Fullerton, and now knowing that they were formed here in Fullerton California in the 1980's interests me even more. Reading Fullerton punk in the 90's paragraph Lured me into reading more because it spoke about how music was changing from the 70's and 80's to "pop punk" and how it interpreted as not in their vocabulary, And how the music interchanged because of its attitude and "often political" ways and how it was toning and smoothing down. Then again same as time changes and we change music changes, for example the popular music now is Pop, because it the music that makes the most money and it will forever change as long as we all keep growing. As i was reading in the caption of Burger records i clicked on to it and i listened to the music that was given in the opening page,and rarely liked it, now I'am guessing i do like punk rock all along, ha. Anyways the history of punk rock in the town of Fullerton and the culture of it and how it was so big in the 80's amazes me.I believe their is many more history in other towns and cities that are unknown just as i didn't know about the punk rock in Fullerton. when i was assigned to read this blog thing, i did not expect such a marvelous put together, once I began to read i couldn't stop, I've never have had history that is actually very interesting! I love the Scripture of the band and how their all differed.

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  23. Marissa Magana
    English 60
    Punk in Fullerton

    Punk rock was never a genre of music that I grew up listening to when I was younger. I basically grew up listening to music that my sisters listened to which is common with a lot of families. Reading this article made me realize that Fullerton the city I live in has a long historical background to punk rock music which I never knew about. I really don't have much to say about it since I have no knowledge of it. What did catch my eye though was No Doubt which I do love listening to. So I guess you can say I do like some punk rock music. When people would talk about other rock punk bands or when I would hear it around, it basically all sounded like a screaming rage. But im not the one to judge. Everyone just has different taste in music. Now knowing that No Doubt is something alike to that makes me want to give that kind of music a chance, well at least something that sounds more like that instead of the heavy music. Since there's many local areas that still perform live rock/punk music I'm willing to give it a chance and to actually listen to the lyrics and experience that kind of environment. I'll definitely be looking forward to that. Therefore I'm hoping that with reading more articles and practicing more on my essays I would learn to better my writing skills and be able to write more on the topic than what I did in this topic. Which I know isn't that great..

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  24. Ryland Smith
    English 60

    When I first opened this article. I thought to myself “a history lesson about punk in Fullerton? They have punk history in Fullerton?” But as I started to read it, I was blown away by the knowledge you have about your local culture. I was totally unaware about the history of Fullerton. Every city has its past. But I was not expecting so much from the “small” town of Fullerton. I'm not a big fan of the punk genre of music. It more than likely is because of where I was raised. For eight years of childhood I lived in Europe, in Belgium more specifically. It is really interesting to see the differences of culture from city to city, state to state. And the vast differences of country to country. Whether it is the type of music the country listens to, to the small traditions hiding in each city. It made me realize that while I've been trying to get ready to take the brutal nature of the world, I've failed to look around and pay attention to the history and culture that is all around us. We get so tied up in our busy lives, We don't feel we have time to stop and look at what happened in the city we live in. The only time we do actually take the time to look is if it is something we are already interested in. I would have never thought I would enjoy reading about punk music. But you have proven me wrong and while I still don't like the particular genre of music, you've opened my eyes to a lot more than just Punk in Fullerton.

    After reading our other assignment from the “Steps to Writing Well” book. I thought about what you said in class on the first day. That people commonly say they “suck at writing.” But maybe its because they've never taken the time to really learn how to write. The different techniques to brainstorm or get an idea of what to write, then revise it until its really to show to the world. Most people wrongly think that they should have a perfect essay without having to change it. And if they cannot then they are bad at writing. But writing whether it be essays, poetry or even musical lyrics, needs to have the freedom to change and correct things. I've always felt I could speak better than I could write, it will be interesting to see how the way I write changes through the course of this class. Because whats the point of having an opinion that you can share with the world, without being able to put it down on paper for people to read.

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  25. Daniel Torres

    English 60

    5:30pm-9:45pm

    Punk in Fullerton

    I have never really been much of a punk music enthusiast, so I have literally no background in it. I would not be able to tell you the difference in rock sub genres; I guess you would call them that? To be completely honest with you I have no clue. From time to time I have heard some rock songs that I like. I have a friend who listens to all kinds of music and sometimes I will hear him playing some rock music but it doesn’t catch my attention so much to the point where I HAVE to Shazam the song and look into the band. Live rock concerts though do seem like something interesting. Music is an art, in its respective place and punk rock does seem from what I have read a type of rock with what some people would say an agenda. They seem to know what they are targeting and at least have a meaning in their lyrics. I can understand why people listen to punk rock bands. I had believed punk rock, at least good punk rock to be completely dead. I did not know it was very much alive still, especially not in Fullerton. Being in attendance at a punk rock show in Fullerton would be something I would not mind experiencing. Hearing music live and hearing it over the radio is different. Being able to experience the collective mindset and feeling that sense of communion I think I would have a great experience. Do I think I will all of a sudden become a huge punk rock fan? No, but who is to say I would not be more interested in it. I do believe that the music industry did take something good, swallow it, and spit out what would be considered by many trash. I have heard No Doubt before and have never thought of them to be considered punk at all. I always thought it was just hip hop. I honestly find it ridiculous to think somebody would consider it punk. From what I have heard to actually be considered real punk it sounds nothing like No Doubt. I don’t know if Avril Lavigne would be considered punk, but as I grew I felt that to be like a Miley Cyrus, Justin Beiber type of punk wanna be vibe. Some people don’t necessarily like punk because of the way most rock sounds. They are like me; they do not know how to categorize rock and the difference in rock types. I know that there are plenty of different types of rock but none have ever really interested me. To me most rock has just been a lot of different strange groups of people I didn’t understand. I felt as if I tried listening to their songs and analyze them I would not relate at all. I would think a lot of people to feel this way and other people to only look at the negative some rock artist and enthusiast do. I feel as if the majority of communities have used this as a stereotype of how a person that listens to rock acts and behave. I mean most elderly people consider any kind of rock the “Devils Music” at least that’s what I grew up hearing a lot. Punk in Fullerton has really changed my perspective and I guess you can say has educated me a bit in its category. I always thought punk rock to be less hardcore and simpler lyrics about partying with teenage friends, skating, dressing in black with skulls, and just being against “The Man”.

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  26. Dulce Suazo
    Eng. 60
    Wed. 5:30-9:45
    Punk in Fullerton
    Never did I imagine having to read an article about punk as part of an English assignment. Not that I have anything against it, its just not my choice of music. If I had been given this assignment a couple of years back I would have probably protested in saying something like "It's too emo" or "I'm going to hell" considering that I was brought up to a totally different genre of music. However nowadays I've become more open to the variety of music that exists. Just the other day I found myself singing along to "Whats my Age Again" by Blink 182; that's punk right? At least I think. My music selection has increased however I still cant tell punk, rock, death metal,black metal, heavy metal,party metal etc. apart. I have heard of Social Distortion and The Adolescents but I would have never guess they started in Fullerton. I did however know that No Doubt originated from Anaheim. As I was scrolling down this article it saddened me to see that there was a lot more venues then there are today I think for me the closest one is Chain Reaction in Anaheim. What I learned from this article and from my own perspective is that punk is judged immediately to be loud, devil worshiping music that's probably because for the most part punks usually dress in black and wear clothing with skulls and metal studs. I used to actually be scared of people who dresses like that. I feel like I had already accepted punk before but now I feel more cultured about it. Its probably one of the few genres that actually have meaning to its lyrics. There are still a lot of people who believe punk is satanic but in my onion there just being ignorant. Society has a way of making us believe that music that rebels against authority is most likely bad.

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  27. Jose Calletano
    Englhis 60
    Wednesday 5:30-9:45


    To be honest I don’t really listen to punk music, only because I have never been introduce to punk. I can relate much to punk movement because I can see why a group of middle class kids, became rebels. The pressure that their parents apply into these kids to become well manner, form a family like the middle class: made these kids want to become rebel. In the 60 hippie was at its best, but came of 70s hippie era banish because the war was over and there wasn’t anything left to fight about. So in the 70s disco was introduced. A genre that encourage happy go lucky parties, expensive clothes and jewels, which did not represent the future punk’s struggle. The puks are the new “hippies on steroids” (Jesse la tour). Except hippies use to be rebels because they protested wars. Punks on the other hand they don’t really have a cause they are just rebels to be rebels.

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  28. The drummer of Buick was born and partly raised in Fullerton.
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  29. And so was Steven R. Smith?
    http://www.worstward.com/

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  33. you suck, your band sucks, there are homeless people in Irvine...they live at UCI. Drink beer and you suck. The only REAL punk band in Orange County are the OC Dogs Of War!!!! Take 50 percent black flag and then mix in another 50 black flag and there you have it. I carry a baseball bat at UCI and drink beer on the quad....not a student....you suck. OC Dogs Of War Rule!!!

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    1. Saw OC Dogs Of War at that pizza place in LBC....fuuuuuuck 30 songs in like 30 min....

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    2. OC DOGS OF WAR?? What the crap is that crap. They ain't from Fullerton...they are from Irvine. They play fast...party at the Omega3 house...they are not that good. They guitar player "budda" macked on my chick...I will find you!!!!!

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